Grand Final:

Wigan 13/8
St Helens 5/1
Warrington 5/1
HKR 6/1
Leeds 10/1
Catalan 12/1
Leigh 20/1
Salford 33/1
Hull 40/1
Huddersfield 50/1
Castleford 66/1
Wakefield 66/1

Challenge Cup:

Wigan 11/4
St Helens 9/2
Warrington 5/1
HKR 7/1
Leeds 9/1
Catalan 12/1
Leigh 16/1
Huddersfield 25/1
Hull 25/1
Salford 25/1
Castleford 40/1
Wakefield 40/1
200/1 Bar

I cant see Hull kr troubling the grand final next season, but they might go all out for the cup to shut their neighbours up about their 40 year trophy drought. 7/1 looks good value to me.

I was thinking the odds for HKR for either of the comps is pretty big considering their recruitment for next season.

Their 2 best players in the grand final have left the club though.

Wigan or saints for grand final same every year and can't see anything different for next year..challenge cup anything can happen

Not convinced Saints will do much damage. They will start brightly and the backs are decent….not so sure on their pack at all. I think the belief that Briers is the messiah is also misguided.

Just had a look at the HKR signings and apart from Hargreaves I’m not overly convinced they will be as good or better next season.

JWH is clearly a top level player, but I worry how he will cope with our refs/judiciary.

Australia -12 is a banker v NZ having seen the new Zealand side. They must be missing about 10 players! Including both half backs, centres and their hooker.

I think Hull KR have recruited really well. Waerea-Hargreaves, Tom Davies, McIlorum and Rhyse Martin all add a lot of quality, although it's very much a 'win now' policy, given their ages. Compared to us signing Leyland, Russell and Jacko from Brush Strokes, I know whose recruitment looks better.

Exactly this. It's the kind of thing i was saying to the KR fan that was on here after they beat you saying the Rovers fans knew success was coming but they had only just started crowing about it. Wonder if they are still crowing. I look at Hull KR and just see a Warrington replica of 2008-2022. Just get a load of big names in etc. Wire now have it bang on with recruitment and youth and some bloody good youth too. Wire will win a trophy before Hull KR will. Of that there is no doubt and for a sustained period. Also for the poster worried about Saints........ don't be. If you don't finish higher than Saints next season then Burgess will have gone backwards. They are done for at least the next 2-3 years.

Yes, I agree that these are a good crop of youngsters (I know, I know, Sally) and our coaching set up has the confidence to play them. I'm still happy to let them fill more and more of the 17 over the next few years and would be delighted if the following was the core of our team in two or three years...

1. CTW
2. Thewlis
3. Lindop
4. Wrench
5. Ashton
6. Leyland
7. Hayes
8. Thomas
9. Walker
10. Harrison
11. Holroyd
12. Whitehead
13. Nicholson (after 3 years in the NRL).